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Digg’s Bury Brigade: Fact or Fiction?

Thursday 1 March 2007 - Filed under Uncategorized

It’s obvious that the current state of affairs at Digg is becoming a hotbed of controversy. Like all conspiracy theories it’s fueled by a controversial subject without any conclusive evidence or meaningful debate. Is the Digg bury brigade real? I think it exists even though it may not be a group like one of those underground haXX0rz groups running a botnet but real in the sense that it produces similar effects.

Why is this story spinning out of control? It’s the lack of openness and willingness to discuss the issue with the community involved. It’s become a divisive issue pitting the rabid fanboys against users that are just as passionate but in a different way. Mix in the army of spammers lurking in the shadow and you get a never ending blood bath.

The current debate is in some ways like debating UFOs. Do they exist? There is no conclusive evidence that could convince skeptics and there is no lack of evidence that would sway a believer’s faith. However, the crucial difference here is that Digg does in fact have the evidence if they’d only analyze their data and maybe share with us some of the results. They certainly don’t want to go the AOL route and release all the privacy info but they can at least examine it, perform statistical analysis, report on it, and have a dialogue with the community to eventually fix it.

It’s not in fact the so-called bury brigade fueling this raging fire but Digg’s unwillingness to talk about it either way. Setting aside the irony of the “bury brigade” wreaking havoc on a site named “digg” we do know that the bury system is broken and needs some fixing.

Spam or Controversy

One of the problems with Digg’s bury system is that it doesn’t distinguish between spam and controversy. Sure, there are a couple options to bury stories like “lame”, “marked as inaccurate”, “dupe”, “wrong topic”, and “spam” but this classification invites abuse. It’s like handing enemies weapons from knives to nukes and saying “choose”. Of course, they’ll use nukes especially when they can lob them from complete darkness without ever being found out. The problem is the bury process is finalized in a more or less automatic way with Digg staff/moderators rarely reinstating something simply because it would be the right thing to do.

Sites affected are typically non-authority sites (big media, staples like TechCrunch & Engadget, etc.) with passionate readers. John Chow is a prominent example but so is Little Green Footballs.

Setting aside what you think of their ideology, you just have to laugh when you look at the search results for stories that never made the front page because their posts have more Diggs than the average front page story. Yet none of these posts made it to the front page. Not even for a minute.

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I think it’s a fundamental flaw in the system. How can you avoid controversy? What use is the regular news section then? How can you realistically find safe topics that close to 1 million users can agree on? I think this is partly the reason why “AMAZING HDR Images” do so well despite the fact that people keep complaining of seeing the too much. At least you don’t get embroiled in a futile flame war.

Something should be done before Digg itself gets buried as lame.

2007-03-01  »  baron

Talkback x 5

  1. HMTKSteve
    1 March 2007 @ 5:42 am

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:

    “If a user marks a site as spam more then a few times have that site no longer appear to that digger when they view Digg.”

    If a contrary viewpoint is so threatening then let that member hide from it. Don’t make the rest of us suffer because you can’t handle that someone else might like an [Apple/MS/Linux] product more than they like your favorite [Apple/MS/Linux] product!

  2. Jeremiah
    1 March 2007 @ 12:52 pm

    I’ve seen the same activity on other political websites. Check out my blog post “Second Thoughts – Bury Brigade”. I watch someone or some people burying Thinkprogress.org stories like it was cool.

  3. Ajay
    1 March 2007 @ 12:56 pm

    Yet another story that I wrote didn’t make it to the front page inspite of over 330 diggs.

    The story is at http://techtites.com/2007/02/17/why-the-digg-mafia-will-cost-kevin-rose-millions/

    Actually, this was a rare case, because the story got buried within 15 minutes and then notched up the diggs!

  4. baron
    1 March 2007 @ 1:44 pm

    HMTKSteve,
    Yeah, that would be the tickent. Don’t like liberals? You get your very own conservative version. How can 1 million people agree on anything.

    Jeremiah
    lol That is a crazy picture. LGF has stories in the hundreds of diggs and yet they’re all buried.

    I guess these political types are even more passionate than your typical Digger.

    Ajay
    Well, it seems to have done good on Reddit. The amazing thing is that it made it to the front page. That’s quite rare.

  5. glenjammin
    2 March 2007 @ 11:31 am

    Hi. I am number one on the ‘Top 50’ buriers on digg. One morning, I started burying all Sony PS3 and Wii related articles because I was absolutely sick of hearing the fanboyism. Simply put: the fact that the Wii is selling better than the PS3, or that it has a new game on their Virtual Console is not front page news. The ‘Bury Brigade’ does not exist because we do not bury the same stories in coordination. In order for a true Bury Brigade to exist, the same stories must be buried in unison within a short amount of time to avoid the popularity that comes with being on the front page. All of the buries on the list are isolated except for the ones we found to be ‘universally lame’. Also, the list of 1700 buries is only of a 2 hour window, which is not representative of the overall digg story submission process. Each one of these stories could still reach the front page. However, I have resolved to stop burying stories without merit immediately. Thanks for your time.
    glenjammin

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